Akula Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 Long time no see! How have you all been? Well, I finally went out and dropped the big bucks. Lost my job (like everyone else) two weeks ago, and after exhausting myself of things to do, I failed to succumb to boredom, and decided to build another guitar. I'm excited - my first real build in eight years! I bought a stick of pine for $17. Now, before any eyebrows meet hairlines, let me just put my position into perspective. I moved to Australia from the UK seven years ago, and have so far accumulated a fraction of the tools I previously had at my disposal. Total count of power tools is two - a cheap jigsaw, and an even cheaper power drill. Needless to say, I would love to part with some cash for a good router setup, and furthermore I understand the need for good tools (and materials) to build a high-quality instrument, but under current circumstances I just can't justify the expense - I might need that money to buy food very soon. So here's my challenge! I'm going to build a Les Paul inspired chambered electric guitar, out of standard pine and ply. 25.5" scale length, Tune-O-Matic bridge, locking tuners, Seymour Duncan SH-6 pickups, F-holes, flat top, strap-locked, dirty blue finish. Re-used neck came from an interesting place. Day One: Drew up some plans. Les Paul style schematics are abundant on the internet; I twisted mine maniacally before they hit real paper. I ripped my pine shelf into pieces, and glued up into two 18mm thick body blanks. Why? Lack of a router. All shall become clear. Afterwards, I withdrew to my habitat to consider my options. A build on no budget? With literally no tools? Using, in quantifiable terms, the worst materials? What could go wrong. - Jam. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 40 minutes ago, Akula said: What could go wrong. Why nothing, nothing at all. I'm looking forward to see how this spins out. I thought I recognized the name Akula. Welcome back! SR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akula Posted April 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 19 hours ago, ScottR said: I thought I recognized the name Akula. Welcome back! Thanks man, good to be back! How are you doing? Day Two: Using my untrustworthy jigsaw, I hacked out my body shape in a rough manner. I know all about blade bending, and even the most strategically placed relief holes wouldn't help out the screaming blade. Sometimes, a good samaritan will hear such screaming, and come to the rescue. My friendly neighbour popped his head over the fence and asked if I'd like to borrow his 9" bandsaw. Boy, would I! The man has a heart of gold. The machine, however, has a gullet of rust, excuse the pun. I spent hours wrestling my guitar-slices through the throat of this aged machine, sweating and praying against a blade breakage. Honestly, results were not bad! This is the point where any sane or smart luthier (I pretend to be neither) would crack out the bearing-loaded plunge router and a fresh MDF template, but I have no router. This also being the reason why I roughed-in the neck heel at this point. Two days in, a fair amount of head-scratching, and only a couple of wrecked jigsaw blades! Off to a good start. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Akula said: Thanks man, good to be back! How are you doing? In general, life has been good! In terms of the current state of the globe, so far so good! Cheers! SR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistermikev Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 I love it when folks do build challenges. someday I'd like to see what I can do based on a budget... the tdpri build challenges where so inspiring. too bad they had to end them. looking fwd to seeing some creative solutions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Akula Posted April 18, 2020 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 23 hours ago, mistermikev said: looking fwd to seeing some creative solutions! Yeaaah, let's call them "creative"... Some of my solutions are gonna cut corners, and some of them will be drastic. Stick around for the ride! Day Three: Today started pleasantly with ruler and pencil. We all know about the six (seven?) P’s, although I am treating this build in the same way as a stand-up comedian treats a gig - making it up as I go along, and hoping somebody laughs at it. Made myself some pickup routes. Or, shall I say, pickup holes? There was no routing involved. Time to make this thing about 800g lighter. And, hopefully, a touch more resonant than your standard block of pine... Although I won’t hold my breath. ( Notice how the two “frames” are slightly different sizes? Since I have no appetite for doing a full Les Paul carve on a questionable 4mm plywood top, this will be a flat-top endeavour. But, I will be doing an arm carve in the flavour of Gibson’s “The Paul”, so the inside of the guitar body at this point gets internally carved with a rasp to lend some strength to the top. I’m sure your keen eyes are, at this moment, wondering why all of my timber is white? Ah, because this idiot here bought dressed pine. It’s got a good thick layer of primer on it. Buyer’s remorse. To really put it into perspective how little I want to spend on this project, I take a stand right here - I shall not spend another $17 on some more pine! Guess I’d better sand all of that primer off, then. An orbital sander would’ve helped. But, that would put me over my budget - which is still sweet F.A. The obligatory “every clamp I have in the shop” photo. Except, here I have a measly assortment of six clamps. Oh, and the gravity clamp - bricks. Let’s see what this looks like in the morning. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akula Posted April 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2020 Day Four: I've always found something childishly funny about the term "F-holes", but this morning I used the "F-word" rather extravagantly. My coping saw has been in neglect for so long, it took a good spray of WD40 just to change the blade. And as for my skills using it? Thank god for files and sandpaper. Drilled holes for the switches and pots. I nearly forgot this part. And the top gets glued! More gravity-clamps. Oh yeah, this setup works, but don't expect a few bricks to replace good clamps. I'm broke, and my finish style will accommodate for a few imperfections, but otherwise I'd be off to Bunnings to buy a million clamps. Meanwhile, I got some access covers cut from the back. The switch cover got cut twice, because I measured once. Main electronics cover went a lot better. The back ply will take the thickness of the neck heel to an unwieldy 44mm. There will be more shaping of the heel later, but for now I cut back the curve of the ply and had a carve at it. Oh look at that, the glues dried! Well, it's only been three hours, but I'll unclamp the top for just long enough to get the back glued in there as well. So… what did I forget to do before I closed up the guitar body for good? Hopefully nothing important... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10pizza Posted April 20, 2020 Report Share Posted April 20, 2020 nice challenge! sorry to hear you've lost your job, but kudo's on going at it like this! good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akula Posted April 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2020 5 hours ago, 10pizza said: nice challenge! sorry to hear you've lost your job, but kudo's on going at it like this! good luck! Mate, it's all we can do to keep on keepin' on! Being unemployed won't bring me down, just like how my lack of power tools (and money!) won't stop me from building a guitar! Thanks for the kind words, I hope you guys are all doing okay too. Day Five: Finally I've got a single piece glued up, and it's somewhat resembling a guitar body! Of course, the whole idea for constructing the body from so many different layers was to alleviate the need for a router. It also allowed me to make the guitar chambered. But, the inherit issue is one of alignment, and now that it's all glued up there are a few bits that need tidying up with the rasps and files. And a few bits that need slicing off entirely. Got some shims in the neck pocket. Plurality of shims? Because I have no tools capable of doing a 56mm-deep cut at an angle - jigsaw won't do it, and that borrowed bandsaw has blade wandering issues. However, I can go through 18mm with my coping saw three times. This will get cleaned up when I come to installing the neck itself. Seriously, I never realised how useful a router is until I didn't have one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizman62 Posted April 20, 2020 Report Share Posted April 20, 2020 13 hours ago, Akula said: I've always found something childishly funny about the term "F-holes", Oh so nice to hear that from a native English speaker! I thought it was just my poor translation... 23 minutes ago, Akula said: Seriously, I never realised how useful a router is until I didn't have one! The lack of power tools is no lack! Ask Stradivari or Guarneri how they managed to build quality instruments - or the guy at the refugee camp in Malawi. Where there's a will there's a way! I'm just waiting for the weather to be friendlier, I've already got my share of gentle nagging for sanding in the porch. Back in February, partially on the outer stairs in the doorway, it was getting dark and it started snowing... And I wanted to sand and oil the heavily cracled tops of the two sideboards we just had salvaged at my mother-in-law's as they had just sold the house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10pizza Posted April 20, 2020 Report Share Posted April 20, 2020 looking good man, even without the power tools! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akula Posted April 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 19 hours ago, Bizman62 said: I'm just waiting for the weather to be friendlier, I've already got my share of gentle nagging for sanding in the porch Those northern winters must be a pain for any kind of guitar-building! People here have no idea - it drops below 20'c in Sydney and everyone starts wearing furry coats! Also, I too have had my nagging about filling the garden with sawdust.... 19 hours ago, 10pizza said: looking good man, even without the power tools! Thanks mate! But it's not over yet - there's still a lot of tasks to complete which would be a lot easier with the right set of tools. Day Six: Made the neck heel a bit more comfortable. I'll have a hell of a time drilling and aligning the holes in the body to match the neck, though. Does anybody have experience building a body for a neck which already has holes drilled? Arm carve. My first time using rasps and files to carve a top, so I took it nice and slow. I waited until after dark, then hooked up a powerful floodlight in my work area - this gave me a solid sharp shadow upon the piece. As much as carving your way through layers of glue in plywood can just plain suck, at least it kinda gave me a topographical map of my progress A half-round file wrapped with sandpaper gave a pretty good smooth to it. Time for a show of hands - should I paint this thing solid black, or should I leave it completely natural and show off it's peasant origins? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gogzs Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 41 minutes ago, Akula said: Time for a show of hands - should I paint this thing solid black, or should I leave it completely natural and show off it's peasant origins? Yeah, I like the peasant origins, and think it would be charming to leave it like that, but damn this build is amazing considering all the challenges you're facing, and for that... paint it black, polish it up, make it look like as aristocrat as possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 I agree with that 100% Nothing to add. SR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistermikev Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Akula said: Time for a show of hands - should I paint this thing solid black, or should I leave it completely natural and show off it's peasant origins? lovely build. I would like option 3 please. do a veneer, then a burst. (i am not capable of coloring between the lines... what are lines anyway other than suggestions?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akula Posted April 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2020 12 hours ago, mistermikev said: I would like option 3 please. do a veneer, then a burst. If I had the money or the means to do a veneer, I'd be all over it! But then, if I had the resources, I would've done the entire top out of quilted maple. Day Seven: More neck heel work - got the thing bolted in for the first time today. Ended up doing it by dabbing a little paint around each hole in the neck, then pressing hard into the heel of the body, and found myself with some impressions of the screw holes. Easy life. And, according to the centreline of the body, my mathematics were off by about half a millimeter! For the standards invoked by this build, I’d call that pretty damn good. I’ll have to shave a touch of wood out of the sides of the pickup routes, but I’m happy with that. Now, I’ve gotta think of a way to recess these ferrules… they’re 12mm, and the largest drill bit I own is 10mm. I could go buy a cheap drill bit for a few dollars - it’s only gotta survive four cuts. As previously mentioned, any further builds should be a little better funded in terms of tools! Next big obstacle I need to overcome, and I may indeed require the assistance of the wealth of knowledge possessed by this internet forum, is to make the binding channels. This picture shows a test piece, not the actual guitar! No router. My chisel is rusted, deformed, and as sharp as my attempts at humour. I have heard of the tool known as a gramil - I do not have funds to buy one. I had a go at making one myself, and it came out looking like a prison shiv. The other issue being this: the top is F’ed-Grade plywood, and the grain tears as easily as toilet paper - although I haven’t had an issue with people panic-buying plywood yet. Any suggestions? Binding channel, 3mm wide and 5mm deep. Terrible ply. Runs the curve of an arm contour too. Cheapest option available! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizman62 Posted April 22, 2020 Report Share Posted April 22, 2020 I had to google for "gramil" and the translated suggestion it gave on the right hand pane was about the measuring tool with a needle for scribing. The video suggestions revealed the bladed tool you most likely meant. IMO that'd be the perfect tool for the plywood, even better than a router. If you only could attach a narrow snap-blade to a guiding handle... Like this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistermikev Posted April 22, 2020 Report Share Posted April 22, 2020 you have a router and a hole cutter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akula Posted April 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Bizman62 said: Like this: That's soo much cleaner than what I came up with! Mine was more like a block with a big rebate, with an 8mm hole drilled through it so I could put pressure on the exacto blade handle passed through the hole. 1 hour ago, mistermikev said: you have a router and a hole cutter? Neither, I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistermikev Posted April 22, 2020 Report Share Posted April 22, 2020 for the record... I admire your spirit of minimal tools and find a solution in what you have. good on ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizman62 Posted April 22, 2020 Report Share Posted April 22, 2020 3 hours ago, Akula said: That's soo much cleaner than what I came up with! Thanks, I copied the shape of the block from a commercial product on a video. An X-acto blade might be much better than a snap-blade as you can choose from a variety of shapes from pointy to rounded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akula Posted April 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 Days Eight and Nine: I would love to say I followed Bizman's advice, but I didn't. I would like to be able to say I didn't hand-cut through 5mm of plywood by hand, but I did. I'd quite like to deny any involvement of my blunt chisel, but it's evident. And I'd like to say it took less than two full days of cutting, and a half day of cleaning up - but it really took that long. I guess some of us just like to do it the hard way... Would. Not. Recommend. Ever. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizman62 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 One simple question: Why didn't you sharpen that chisel? I understand that a whetstone may not belong to your current tool set and that a set of good quality stones can cost a small fortune but there's alternatives like wet sandpaper on a flat surface. Other than that, looks good. Also, spending the time carving that channel kept you busy so you didn't get the urge to go to the streets to kick grannies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akula Posted April 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2020 On 4/25/2020 at 6:20 PM, Bizman62 said: One simple question: Why didn't you sharpen that chisel? I understand that a whetstone may not belong to your current tool set and that a set of good quality stones can cost a small fortune but there's alternatives like wet sandpaper on a flat surface. I admit, I gave it a quick go on the stone I use for my kitchen knives, but that chisel literally has chips and dents in the blade. I'm sure I could've fixed it up a bit better with a grinder, but hey, got the job done. Days Ten and Eleven: Recessed the neck bolt ferrules. Covered the back and sides of the guitar in gaff tape. Wait, whaaat? Oh yeah. Best thing for a trashy pine guitar body is a trashy finish! Then, rough it up with some 400-grit, and spray it black with rattle-can. I do two fairly thick coats and let them dry properly. Then, get some 240-grit sandpaper wrapped around an old T-shirt or even a towel, and get sanding back. Trick is, do it light as all hell, and you tend to take out the ridges in the gaff-tape pattern, revealing the texture. Glued in the binding. Alright, let's take a closer look at that binding... Having established this as the lowest-spend build I can possibly manage, I figured I'd make some binding myself. Being a stay-at-home roadie, I've got hundreds of rolls of electrical tape lying around. Three layers of white, three layers of green, three layers of white. The hardest part was laying it all out straight on the table, and then cutting it dead down the middle. Glued in with epoxy, cut flush with the guitar top/back. I know this build just went from bad to what-the-hell in terms of building materials, but bear with me - you haven't seen the top finish yet! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted April 27, 2020 Report Share Posted April 27, 2020 The back finish is genius. SR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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