GuitarInnovationCollective Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Hello Everyone ! My name is Momo from TheMomoZone and I am proud to show you guys one of the wildest innovative guitars you'll ever see called the GTV. For the building of this guitar I have brought together some of the world's top guitar makers and innovators. Gigliotti Guitars - gigliottiguitars.com Tom TV Jones - tvjones.com True Temperement Frets - truetemperament.com Best Guitar Parts - bestguitarparts.com Roxy Guitar Finish - roxyguitarfinish.com Moody Straps - moodyleather.com Together we have formed The Guitar Innovation Collective and this is our first effort. Combining talents from around the world in order to bang out an awesome guitar in the shortest period of time ! I'm including some pics, the prototype design as well as some links to this awesome project. We will be getting together at Tom TV Jones to complete this in the weeks that follow. Thanks for checking this out and I also want to say that after looking at the guitars on this site I'm totally impressed at the great work and innovations that everybody is doing here. Just AWESOME ! The specs for the GTV are as follows : - A Gigliotti mahogany chambered body and neck with a brass drop top (Tangerine Burst) - 4 TV Jones pickups - True Temperement Fretting system - Half and half maple/ebony fret board - Perfect Balance - 6 position pick up selector - Kill switch - 3-way toggle The Guitar Innovation Collective website : Click here to Visit th GTV website ! Check out the GTV trailer here : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Momo's post from the GOTM moved to it's own thread.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feral_smurf Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 i don't understand why you have posted this cause those pics are photoshopped and you haven't built any guitars. I am just confused what you want because you claim to be showing us your creation but it does not exist. Please enlighten me Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarInnovationCollective Posted June 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 i don't understand why you have posted this cause those pics are photoshopped and you haven't built any guitars. I am just confused what you want because you claim to be showing us your creation but it does not exist. Please enlighten me Simon Hey There simon i dont see what there is to be confused about...if you click on the links for the videos you will see the guitar being built and conceived in real time by a bunch of strangers that have just met or never met yet,Thought you might enjoy the process for connecting people and ideas in a fresh inspiring way which is what i do.The guitar will be finished and full documented on video at tom jones lab in the week 2 come.Hope this clears things up a bit. Momo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feral_smurf Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 i don't understand why you have posted this cause those pics are photoshopped and you haven't built any guitars. I am just confused what you want because you claim to be showing us your creation but it does not exist. Please enlighten me Simon Hey There simon i dont see what there is to be confused about...if you click on the links for the videos you will see the guitar being built and conceived in real time by a bunch of strangers that have just met or never met yet,Thought you might enjoy the process for connecting people and ideas in a fresh inspiring way which is what i do.The guitar will be finished and full documented on video at tom jones lab in the week 2 come.Hope this clears things up a bit. Momo Yeah i sound like a complete idiot. Sorry I didn't look at the video and from the pictures it looks like the guitar control cavity goes through the guitar on one side but not on the other, same with the pickup cavities. I didn't realise that it was made from 2 shells. May i ask why you decided to paint it before gluing the two halves together. Once again i'm sorry for leaping to conclusions, i've just never seen a guitar constructed like that before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidlook Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 I seriously don't get what's so innovative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcissism Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 What's with the frets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarInnovationCollective Posted June 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 i don't understand why you have posted this cause those pics are photoshopped and you haven't built any guitars. I am just confused what you want because you claim to be showing us your creation but it does not exist. Please enlighten me Simon Hey There simon i dont see what there is to be confused about...if you click on the links for the videos you will see the guitar being built and conceived in real time by a bunch of strangers that have just met or never met yet,Thought you might enjoy the process for connecting people and ideas in a fresh inspiring way which is what i do.The guitar will be finished and full documented on video at tom jones lab in the week 2 come.Hope this clears things up a bit. Momo Yeah i sound like a complete idiot. Sorry I didn't look at the video and from the pictures it looks like the guitar control cavity goes through the guitar on one side but not on the other, same with the pickup cavities. I didn't realise that it was made from 2 shells. May i ask why you decided to paint it before gluing the two halves together. Once again i'm sorry for leaping to conclusions, i've just never seen a guitar constructed like that before Hey Simon no problem my friend this is really cool its 7 companies that are some of the most talented builders and innovators ive met. This is going to be cool. Have a great night Momo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyManAndy Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 What's with the frets? Looks similar to one of those true temperament fretting systems. CMA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borge Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 - True Temperement Fretting system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WezV Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 i like a lot of the ideas on this guitar. although i do think it wouldnt have taken much effort to make an accurate mockup which would have shown it much better than some of the marketing. the fact that the pickup spacing and scale length are completely out of whack on the main picture means the actual final guitar will look quite different to the mock-up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadovfor Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Interesting ... but I think the video would have been better with a presenter who was a little more confident and outgoing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Interesting ... but I think the video would have been better with a presenter who was a little more confident and outgoing. I new that video was lacking something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirge for november Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 It looks cool and all! Yet I wonder why an innovative project leads to a guitar of lacking design (the flying V) Basically I won't even be able to play it sitting in a wheelchair. Also if I saw correct (my bad if I saw it wrong) it has a bolt on neck, which seems a little oldschool as opposed to the rest of the ideas. I think it's a bolt on because I spotted a square heel with 4 holes in the scene where the back is painted. Also I heard that a flying V tends to sound slightly nasal because of the lack of meat behind the bridge (I'm not sure if this is correct... so correct me if I'm wrong). All in all I'm sure this thing will sound and play great, the reason I'm so critical is the way you people present it. As a down to earth Dutch guy, I can't help but look for problems when someone presents something in a semi unmodest way. Cheers! Willem PS. One last question: How do those frets work while bending? My logic somehow makes me feel the string will suddenly change note while bending.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 PS. One last question: How do those frets work while bending? My logic somehow makes me feel the string will suddenly change note while bending.. This is not only a good point, but the V design itself is usually played with music that bends a lot. Good luck with re-frets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avengers63 Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 PS. One last question: How do those frets work while bending? My logic somehow makes me feel the string will suddenly change note while bending.. This is not only a good point, but the V design itself is usually played with music that bends a lot. Good luck with re-frets. That was the first thing I thought of when I first saw the True Temperament system advertised in one of my guitar mags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJE-Guitars Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 I've got to agree with Wez here. The mockup is a total waste of space - a tailpiece where the bridge should be does little to inspire. The only 'innovation' I can see is the two wood fretboard and that isn't something personally I'd want to replicate or see what it achieves add sound wise incomparison to an full ebony or maple board. I really don't get the 4 pickups thing either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Boy you guys are a tough crowd! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WezV Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 I've got to agree with Wez here. The mockup is a total waste of space - a tailpiece where the bridge should be does little to inspire. actually the tailpiece is about where it should be - but in the mock up the 4th pickup is where the bridge should be. looking at the inprogress stuff it seems the pickups are much closer together and the guitar is strung through the body behind the bridge. it looks loads better than the mockup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarInnovationCollective Posted June 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 I seriously don't get what's so innovative? The term innovation means a new way of doing something. It may refer to incremental, radical, and revolutionary changes in thinking, products, processes, or organizations. I a world where the internet is exploding the opportunities to discover new builders and giving builders that are already established in a particular niche the chance to have some fun a bust out of their mold. Gigliotti never made a flying v before,Tv jones pickups are not associated with rock,Most rock guitars are not designed to sound good in all types of music,this one will, There has never been a flying v with 4 pickups,I have never seen a half and half neck with those true temperament frets..The True temperament frets are an innovation in-itself. In closing we will all get together to film and play this creation that was put together by 7 people from around the world just because i asked them to.I f no one thinks they could learn any tips and tricks from some of these masters of their trade on a form thats dedicated to guitar building then i dont know what to say more. Lets enjoy life and be happy for other peoples attempts to bring the fun back to music. See ya Momo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarInnovationCollective Posted June 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Boy you guys are a tough crowd! Here it all begins,This is my first time on one of these types of forms,This cut throat jumping the gun syndrome is typical.This is not a contest for me but an idea i had in my head and just excited it.I love people, i am a motivator in life and this falls into another category of what i love to do,Connecting people and ideas and then having a great meal together and some great laffs at the end.Have a great day. Momo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarInnovationCollective Posted June 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 What's with the frets? These are true temperament frets, I tried these at the 2009 winter namm and was completely blown away. See Momo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarInnovationCollective Posted June 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 i like a lot of the ideas on this guitar. although i do think it wouldnt have taken much effort to make an accurate mockup which would have shown it much better than some of the marketing. the fact that the pickup spacing and scale length are completely out of whack on the main picture means the actual final guitar will look quite different to the mock-up Hey Wez Thanks,But tell me ..does it really matter...That is the original pic i first put together for all the guys involved to see the vibe..We then locked it down and the guitar will go from a picture idea to reality ...and the only difference will be that it will look even better and have a great story and amazing footage for us all to trip on.Tom tv jones is an awesome guy that makes awesome products,is an awesome luthier him self and plays up a storm as a player and developed a very successful business for him self. We can all learn and trip with each other.You seem like a really cool guy who makes awesome guitars.Im really a bass player and have been checking your stuff out in awe ......Have a great day and thanks for the input. Peace Momo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarInnovationCollective Posted June 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 It looks cool and all! Yet I wonder why an innovative project leads to a guitar of lacking design (the flying V) Basically I won't even be able to play it sitting in a wheelchair. Also if I saw correct (my bad if I saw it wrong) it has a bolt on neck, which seems a little oldschool as opposed to the rest of the ideas. I think it's a bolt on because I spotted a square heel with 4 holes in the scene where the back is painted. Also I heard that a flying V tends to sound slightly nasal because of the lack of meat behind the bridge (I'm not sure if this is correct... so correct me if I'm wrong). All in all I'm sure this thing will sound and play great, the reason I'm so critical is the way you people present it. As a down to earth Dutch guy, I can't help but look for problems when someone presents something in a semi unmodest way. Cheers! Willem PS. One last question: How do those frets work while bending? My logic somehow makes me feel the string will suddenly change note while bending.. Hi Willem First of all i wanted a flying v, Next this whole conception about holding a v sitting down is getting old for me.Ask anyone who owns a v and they will tell you the same thing ,YOU PUT THE V BETWEEN YOUR LEG AND CALF and guess what it puts your neck in the perfect playing position right up in your face. I wont say that i would want all my guitars to be like that but it always freaks me out when i see a guy trying to put it on his lap like a regular guitar and wondering why it keeps sliding down.For those who still think like that i will also be putting on a steinberger type flip out leg rest. BOLT ON ..Yes it is a bolt on because i wanted it that way,Most v guitars are not this one is,we will see how it sounds.In closing the fretting system kills, you could bend like you want or fry an egg on them. The guitar sounds more precise to the point that it punches out more percussion then ive ever heard. Hope this answers some of your questions. Have a great day Momo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WezV Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 no it doesnt matter - i think seeing the original design idea is very interesting, but i personally wouldnt have had that as the main thing on your website/magazine. Maybe its not as important to everybody but the scale issue jumped out at me and made it look odd - wheras the actual real life design looks much better!! and i have used a few TV jones pickups in my time so am well aware of tom's work, i also have a moody strap fwiw. I am certainly not knocking the people you have doing this work or the work itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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