CrazyManAndy Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Amazing pukko! I always love to see what you've got in the works; heck, I'm still drooling over your first build! This one is great, very well executed, and excellent balance, as jmrentis suggested. Any ideas for the finish? CMA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukko Posted December 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 >>kenggg >>hooglebug >>capello Thanks! >>Maurits Thanks! This is the first time I´ve ever worked with pearl, so I was kind of nervous about the whole inlay process. Turned out pretty OK, though. I´m doing the logo now, much more work to do on that one... >>CrazyManAndy Thanks! I´ve been really unsure about what finish it should have, but lately I´ve almost made up my mind... I´ve been thinking about blue or red, but now I´m thinking about finishing it in a colour that matches the mahogany and wenge a little more. Since I don´t have access to a spray gun I´m going to clearcoat it with nitrocellulose spray cans this time too. I always thought: No spray gun=no bursting. Well, I´m going to try a burst anyway... I´ll try to stain a burst by hand, I saw a tutorial (Myka´s I think) about doing that and thought I might give it a try. Here´s a mockup of what I´ve been thinking about: This also shows an idea for a pickguard. I've already made one from tortoiseshell pickguard material, but I don´t know if I´ll be using it or not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIRS Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Mockups # 1 and 5 look best IMO. Though I also think you should go for a lighter finish since the maple and wenge look so amazing together right now without any sort of stain. The pickguard is cool, and I think it blends well but you might not want to cover up any of that pretty wood. Truly a beautiful guitar whatever way you do it as long as it isn't one of those thick solid color plastic coats! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooglebug Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 im using a blue on my latest thats also got a mahogany back and wenge neck and it works really really well. sorry if iv made your decision a little harder but if you want the burst it'll still be coolies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukko Posted December 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 >>TheIRS This mockup was mostly a test to see how it would look like with a burst and to see how the pickguard would look in tortoise and in black. I definitely like the tortoise better than the black, at least with this type of finish. I also tested how it would look with covered humbuckers, the ones I bought are without covers but I might get some later on if I can find covers with the right polepiece spacing. I started thinking about a pickguard when the router broke and made that nasty gouge in the pickup cavity. A normal pickup ring wouldn´t cover the hole, so I had to either make a pickguard to cover it or make custom pickup rings that were a little wider. Now I´ve done both... >>hooglebug I´m sure blue would work too, there are a couple of PRS finishes that look really good with blue tops and natural backs. "Blue matteo" and the Modern Eagle "Abalone" finish (which admittedly is some mix of blue and green, but it looks good!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiewarlock Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Pukko, you're my favorite builder in this forum, all your work looks amazing, very clean and professional, and you always manage to design original guitars, retro looking, but very cool instruments, maybe some influence from Hagstrom? I love how this one looks man, keep up the good work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirdstone Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Realy great stuff. This is what I wish more people on this forum attempted. A word of caution on the wipe on stain burst, It can be done and look good but you cant get the same fine feathered transition that you get with a spray gun. I have done both and I tried everything to get a spray like transition, even spraying the stain on with an airbrush. This got the best result after letting it dry a bit but at some point you have to wipe it. Now I only use a spray gun. Believe me I would much prefer to NOT use a spray gun but the result is someway better. Any way you can give it a go and if you are not happy with it its very easy to remove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TemjinStrife Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 I honestly like your pickup ring design a lot more than the standard rings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattia Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Very nice. Elegant, understated, lots of nice detail touches...overall a job well done, plus baritones always rock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukko Posted December 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 >>eddiewarlock Wow, thanks a lot! That´s really nice of you! I get influenced by a lot of stuff, Hagström has some really cool guitar designs so I´m sure I´ve been influenced by that. I like these old quirky guitars from the 60´s-70´s too, guitars from other countries than USA. Old Japanese guitars can be really odd but cool, and so can Italian guitars and stuff from eastern Europe. I mean, this one started out with an idea I got when I saw an Ibanez acoustic (a new one, though), it´s not that obvious now but I can see it clearly... >>thirdstone Thanks a lot to you too! I'll do some burst testing on some scrap wood first too see if I can get anywhere near what I want, if not I´ll do some other colour. >>TemjinStrife Thanks! Glad you like them! I still have problems seeing pickup rings that don´t look "normal", I guess I´m so used to the regular kind that it´s hard to accept anything else. >>Mattia Thanks a lot! I´ve never played a baritone so I´ll have to wait until it´s finished to agree on the rock part... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirdstone Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Hi Mate check this out http://projectguitar.ibforums.com/index.php?showtopic=33721 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukko Posted January 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 A little progress has been made. The logo has been inlayed into the headstock and the neck has been fretted. Head: http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z35/pukko3/DSC04287.jpg Fretboard: http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z35/pukko3/DSC04278.jpg I also tried staining a burst on a piece of scrap flame maple, seems like it should be possible to do on the guitar. http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z35/pukko3/DSC04259.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Staining a burst is not that difficult, but I have found by experience that it look a lot better to stain the color you will have in the center sealing it with a few coats of lacquer and bursting the edge with the darker color. From your example stain the yellow and then burst the red with tinted lacquer. The curls under the red will light up much better than if they were stained with a darker color. It took me a lot of tries to get to know that. Here an example, by all means not the best burst, since I did it with a preval (out of air for my airbrush) and it is very hard to control the spray pattern. If I had stained the red, all the bright spots on the figure would had turned darker. Before burst http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/Maiden69/DSC02791.jpg after http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/Maiden69/DSC02909.jpg I wanted a more yellow center, but I had to spray a toner coat over it because the burst took much area towards the center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim_ado Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 ohh man please more haha im so into the jerry jones baritone right now but this shape kills it i only hope it has the same sound....HOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 That's a similar idea to how I was going to respray our car in terms of the "pop" finish under a translucent tinted clear. We were going to go for fine gold/orange metallic flake under a candy-type dark cherry red. Black/red under ambient light, but popping to rich bright red under reflected light. Pretty much the same theory works with chatoyance in woods....I think using tinted lacquer to burst as opposed to running stains all over the shop maintains the 3D figuring more than as not, as i've found that stains seem to bring down the figures reaction to moving in light. I've fallen out of favour with staining to be honest, as I always feel I lose some of that wow-factor from having seen the wood's figure au naturale after a quick sand and scrape :-\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukko Posted January 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 >>Maiden69 I don´t have access to a spray gun, and it´s impossible to find tinted clear laquer in spray cans here in Sweden (at least where I live). Never seen anything like those preval spray cans either, had to google it to know what it was... I´m aiming to do a pretty thin burst edge, so if the flaming doesnt stand out as much there I can live with that. Thanks for the tip anyway, I´m definitely going to look for some way to use a real spray gun in the future so then I´ll try it your way! >>tim_ado Thanks! >>Prostheta I´ve done some test staining on scrap pieces of maple, and I understand what you mean about the reaction to moving in light. I've tried some double staining, and the "stain black, sand back, stain with other colour" method totally kills the movement in the flaming. The flames do get a very high light/dark contrast but the 3D effect totally goes away... I don´t think that problem is at all as big when you double stain with a darker shade of the same colour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukko Posted January 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Carved the neck today. Lots of work left to do but since my kitchen is my workspace and I live in an apartment I figured it was time to let the neighbors have their good nights sleep... Here´s what it looks like now anyway, I tried to shape the volute a little differently. With some more shaping and sanding (lots of it...) it might turn out OK I think. Another pic of the neck: http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z35/pukko3/DSC04309.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travismoore Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Nice shaping on the back of the headstock reminds me of old warwick thumbs =D Keep up the good work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukko Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Since this guitar will have a hardtail bridge with strings through body I had to have something anchoring the strings in the back. First I just thought I would use standard Telecaster style ferrules, but then I figured I should do something a little more unusual than that. the neck and control cavity plate are both made of wenge, so I made a string anchor out of wenge as well. The small metal ferrules are there to stop the strings from wearing the wood out. I think they´re called blind rivets in English? The anchor isn´t all the way into the body in the pics, I wanted to be able to get it out again... A pic of the whole back: http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z35/pukko3/DSC04351.jpg >>travismoore Thanks! Yeah, I know what you mean, I remember playing a Warwick bass like 10-15 years ago and it had a wenge neck. They don´t make them with wenge necks anymore, do they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyManAndy Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Once again, pukko, I am reminded why you are one of the best builders around here, in my book! Great progress so far. CMA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TemjinStrife Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Awesome detail work on the string anchor and backplate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukko Posted February 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 Well, she ain´t too pale anymore... Before staining: http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z35/pukko3/DSC04364.jpg Stained brown: http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z35/pukko3/DSC04372.jpg After this I sanded it back a bit, forgot to take pictures... And here it´s stained, first the whole top with the same brown as before blended with yellow, then a burst with the brown and a darker brown around the edge. After that some yellow all over for a little highlighting. It´s still wet in the picture, looks a little strange in places because of that. I'm waiting for it to dry to see if I´ll stain some more or if it´s good as is. >>CrazyManAndy <<TemjinStrife Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanthus Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 I'll take one, please Fantastic as always, Pukko. I love your eye for style and detail. The backplate that TemjinStrife mentioned... are those actual holes through the plate itself? Pretty cool! How are you going to shield that, though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andronico Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 Simply beautiful ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukko Posted February 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 >>Andronico Thanks! >>Xanthus Thanks! You'll have to wait for yours though, with this work pace this one will be done in like 10 years... Yes, that's holes right through the back plate. I've never really thought about leaving it that way though. I'm going to put something on the back of it, I just don't know what material yet. Maybe pearloid, maybe aluminium (would solve the shielding problem too...). My first idea was to put some flame maple there, but the flaming isn't really visible because of the small holes anyway so I ditched that idea pretty fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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