fookgub Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 I've got Planet Waves tuners on two of my guitars and I'm quite happy with them. They really shine when combined with a top-loading bridge. I can change a broken string in 10 seconds flat while standing with the guitar in playing position. This helped during setup, too. I can remove the neck, shim it, and reattach it all with the strings locked to the tuners. Aside from the string cutting feature, they're pretty much like any name brand locking tuner: solid and smooth. The only con I can think of verses normal locking tuners is the fact that the cutting edges could wear out. I doubt this would be a problem on the high strings, but it takes a decent amount of force to cut a low E, and even more to cut a low B. Anyway, I'm not trying to push Planet Waves tuners. Use what you want. When I first heard of the brand, I figured it would be second-rate Chinese crap. But I decided to try them anyway, and I'm glad I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherokee6 Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Man, you guys can go on about this topic. However, (ahem), I have regular Grovers on my LP (no trem) and they're always in tune. Good luck with all the numerous choices laid out. Now that you're back to square one, you may want to consider cost as a way to eliminate some of the choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myka Guitars Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Hipshot Trem (floating) with a 13º headstock (3x3 tuner design) Hipshot Trem (floating) with a scooped Fender-styled headstock (3x3 tuner design) Not to derail the thread but I wanted to suggest keeping your headstock angle between 10º-11º when using a trem. I have found that anything steeper and you may have tuning stability issues. The increase in downward pressure on the nut will also cause the strings to bind in the nut slots resulting in some strings catching on the way back up to tune and going slightly sharp. Of course this assumes that the nut is properly cut so that there is only one angle over the nut and the slot does not bind on the leading edge or the back edge (no sharp edges for the strings to catch on). Ok, back on topic: I like the Shaller and Sperzel locking tuners. I have not needed to try anything else so far. My only complaint with the Sperzels is that the aluminum threads strip out a bit too easily. If you get them from StewMac they will replace them if this happens. ~David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidlook Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 . Brian may have them in his inventory also. Just make sure they're described as such in a catalog. I believe they're the 510 or 512 series. They are expesive, though. OK: Brian has them!: http://www.universaljems.com/cart/tuner3x3lock.htm At first I read that as Brian May have them in his inventory.... Brian May changed the tuners on his original Red Special to the schaller locking tuners, and that ought to tell you something. I have a set myself and I can say nothing but positive stuff about them, top quality stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegarehanman Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 my only complaint about schaller locking tuners is that they seem to be a bit heavy, but that's only a concern when you're worried about being neck heavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acousticraft Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 I used Grover Rotomatics instead of the usual no name sealed tuners and was really dissapointed they had so much back lash in them when turning the tuning knob back and forth. They work ok but I honestly prefer the others as they have no backlash issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregP Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 What's backlash? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegarehanman Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 He's referring to space between the gears...play. This is why it's bad practice to lower you're pitch when adjusting a string. Tuners will almost always have some backlash. Instead, tune down below the note you're aiming for, then tune back up to the note. This will insure the gears are pushed against once another and there's a maximum amount of force resisting the pull of the string. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddybear Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 how to difference grover tuner? rotomatic and the other? which one are more locking? sperzel, wilkinson, and planetwaves tuner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregP Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 He's referring to space between the gears...play. This is why it's bad practice to lower you're pitch when adjusting a string. Tuners will almost always have some backlash. Instead, tune down below the note you're aiming for, then tune back up to the note. This will insure the gears are pushed against once another and there's a maximum amount of force resisting the pull of the string. Ah, gotcha. Yeah, I've always done the "tune UP to pitch" thing as a matter of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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