Xanthus Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Greg, have you thought about cannibalizing a Steinberger and stealing the bridge/nut assembly for your headless? Or would that run into the same problems too, having to get special strings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregP Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 You can get the Synapse headstock assembly for $100. It accepts regular strings as well. Or, you might luck into a special attachment piece they used to make for the old-style headpieces that allowed for regular strings. OR, you could even get an ABM headpiece instead. The problem is more at the bridge. I've definitely thought of cannibalizing a bridge (as per Robert Irazzary). If the "Spirit by Steinberger" R-trem bridges are high quality, I might still go that way... I dunno. I really like the spec and description of the Kahler bridges. I think it's the only bridge on the market that's exactly what I want in a heavy-duty trem; however, not compatible (directly) with headless. I'll probably just get a Kahler for a different guitar at some point in time in my life. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crafty Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 If you really want to go headless, why not just use the ABM hardware from Allparts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregP Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Trem...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 ebay greg.those bc rich nj series from a few years ago are all equipped with them and are selling cheap. i bought a warlock for $300 a few years ago brand new and i have a black speedloader just waiting for me to put on something better.i am sure if you try you can find a used nj for less than $200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattia Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 Question: are Kahlers available for Lefty gutiars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weaponepsilon Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 I've never used a Kahler, but am considering it. Is this "cardinal rule" included with the instructions for the trem? You've gotta know that 9/10 guys who buy the trem will slap it on the instrument and string up without ever reading any of the scraps of paper that come with it, unless they have a problem. Yes the smart consumer should read the manual before proceeding, but at the same time, a bomb-proof design will have been engineered with this in mind. AAACK! HERESY!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oz tradie Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 Question: are Kahlers available for Lefty gutiars? Thanks Mattia, you beat me to it. Important info for those of us who are the lepers of the guitar playing community. cheers, Stu (still a lefty and regretting it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 I know the pro comes with bar holes on both sides, and from the pictures on the website the 7 and 8string do.not the 6 string. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattia Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 Reason I ask is that I'm building a Lefty Kelly, currently slated for an Edge, but I want to know if it's worth trying to talk the guy into a Kahler or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirdstone Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 Mr Wammi i am contemplating making a flat top electric, proberbly bolt on neck with only about a 2degree neck angle. I would prefer not to do the full strat type route and stick with a LP type of mount (less neck angle though ) Which type of kahler should I be looking at. kev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattia Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 I've never used a Kahler, but the answer is obvious: flatmount, not the LP retrofit one. And your bridge dictates your neck angle, not the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wammi Posted March 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Question: are Kahlers available for Lefty gutiars? if you upgrade to a 2 hole cam. $50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wammi Posted March 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Mr Wammi i am contemplating making a flat top electric, proberbly bolt on neck with only about a 2degree neck angle. I would prefer not to do the full strat type route and stick with a LP type of mount (less neck angle though ) Which type of kahler should I be looking at. kev 2 degrees? you want the 7300. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wammi Posted March 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 I've never used a Kahler, but the answer is obvious: flatmount, not the LP retrofit one. And your bridge dictates your neck angle, not the other way around. correct. its best if you build you guitar around the Kahler. It's the cornerstone of your guitar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wammi Posted March 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 (edited) If anyone needs some Kahler questions answered I'll be glad to help you. Its my job. If you want to hear a Kahler live, or need some 1 on 1 help, I will be happy to call you on the phone or better yet...If your able, I can Skype or MSN messenger you with my PC video camera and give you a E-jam. Privately email me at wammi@wammiusa.com I will arrange with you a private showing of the range and sound. If any of you out there are familiar with streaming live or videos that can be displayed on the web, please email me. I am unfamiliar in this territory but I am anxious to post lessons and demos of the sound, ranges and techniques ect. I need some expert video posting guidence here. Wammi J www.wammiusa.com (951) 541-2387 www.kahlerparts.com (760) 494-5969 http://www.wammiusa.com/Installation_guide.html http://www.wammiusa.com/images/new.gif Edited March 27, 2007 by Wammi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oz tradie Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Question: are Kahlers available for Lefty gutiars? if you upgrade to a 2 hole cam. $50 And does this also come with a lefty trem. arm ? cheers, Stu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 For $20 I take the cam off and to my local machine shop and have it drill and tapped! For $10 I'll buy the tap and do it my self! the bar is a breeze to make! you can even have yours modded and have it re-chromed for about $5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wammi Posted April 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 (edited) For $20 I take the cam off and to my local machine shop and have it drill and tapped! For $10 I'll buy the tap and do it my self! the bar is a breeze to make! you can even have yours modded and have it re-chromed for about $5. Please stop to consider for a minute ALL that goes into an arm "hole" What about the the arm clutch shaft and the arm clutch cross channel which are different diameter sizes. You have 3 taps to buy, not 1. The arm clutch cross channel needs to be tapped through between the arm shaft and the arm clutch shaft via the bearing cavity. You'll need arm clutch nylon material too which is not sold separately. You'll have to press it in the shaft and re-tap the excess out of the arm hole. Plating may also chip when you tap plated material. A lot to consider when 50 bucks gets you there with a bonus.... The additional $50 gets you an upgraded cam in your choice of steel, brass or aluminum as an tone option. All that, plus the ability to use a Palm or Johnnie bar. By the way... You can bend an arm with a hammer and vise. No need to make one. FYI: The standard #10 stock used by the industry is NOT the stock used for Kahler arms. Thats why fender arms are sloppy in the hole. Our stock is special made....you cant buy it off the shelf. Edited April 4, 2007 by Wammi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 I haven't taken mine apart, because I believe in if it works don't mess with it. But I taked by looking at the exploded view on your site http://www.kahlerparts.com/X_pages/X_2300.htm If I ever make a lefty I would have the customer buy the adecuate bridge. If I'm adapting one, I would tap it. I don't use the arm clutch at all. But for someone that will use it it would be good to order it. I know there is a lot of R&D done to get this things to work propertly and you pay for what you get... in my case I don't mind, but like I say for a customer, it is a different story! Now on the arm, I wouldn't make a new one, or bang the heck out of yours, I would heat it and bend it carefully to make sure that the steel don't get distorted or messed up, and then re-chrome or powder coat black...Yes Fender arms suck... but I do like the feel of the old type one Floyd Rose trem arm! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyflash6 Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 (edited) Hey Wammi I'm looking to install an original 2300 on a strat,but I'd rather like to recess it into the body. Does Kahler have routing templates to do this? I have a template to rout for the cam assembly,but I'm having a hard time finding a template for the body of the bridge shape itself. If not, do you know anyone who can make a template, or where I could find one? I can do the layout and can do the routing myself,I'd rather not pay extra and send the body out and have it done by someone else... If Kahler would design one of these, I'll be the first in line to buy one!!!! Edited April 8, 2007 by Skyflash6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wammi Posted April 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Hey Wammi I'm looking to install an original 2300 on a strat,but I'd rather like to recess it into the body. Does Kahler have routing templates to do this? I have a template to rout for the cam assembly,but I'm having a hard time finding a template for the body of the bridge shape itself. If not, do you know anyone who can make a template, or where I could find one? I can do the layout and can do the routing myself,I'd rather not pay extra and send the body out and have it done by someone else... If Kahler would design one of these, I'll be the first in line to buy one!!!! No we do not have full recess routing templates. I must stress though, that recessing a strat is not Standard Operating Procedures. I feel you wont have the saddle height to achieve your action if you recess too low. You will need about .600 from saddle top to body. Also if you plan to use the lock feature, a trough will need to be made for allen wrench access to it. I will be interested in the outcome of your experiment. If you want you can simply remove the cam from the frame (it will sit flat then) and use the frame for your outline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aharon Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Wammi,I have a strat style guitar with a 2320.I love the guitar and the bridge.......I guess the rolles are brass and I wanted to know if changing those to steel rollers would improve sustain ... Thanks for any help. Aharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wammi Posted April 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 Wammi,I have a strat style guitar with a 2320.I love the guitar and the bridge.......I guess the rolles are brass and I wanted to know if changing those to steel rollers would improve sustain ... Thanks for any help. Aharon It will, yes. Its not real dramatic but its a bit crisper sounding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aharon Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 Wammi,I have a strat style guitar with a 2320.I love the guitar and the bridge.......I guess the rolles are brass and I wanted to know if changing those to steel rollers would improve sustain ... Thanks for any help. Aharon It will, yes. Its not real dramatic but its a bit crisper sounding. Thanks for the help man!!! Aharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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