westhemann Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 was so glad when shredded jeans came into popular stage garb. in the late 80s/early 90s you could not find me with a pair of jeans that weren't ripped...i was embarressed if my pants were new.so lame to think about it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis guitars Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 ha ha dude i love norma they are soo good live .. under oath 2 im going to see underaoth again in like a month Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desopolis Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 None of the above! Progressive Rock !!! Stuff like Dream Theater and Opeth and such... (as long as there's no screaming lolll) no screaming in Opeth?!? I listen to alot of 90's stuff. But mainly anything with a nice guitar really. From old 50's surf to new stuff. Toadies are my favorite, but they dont really fall into one of these category's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmarlin Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 ...but you DID keep YOUR spandex pants from the 80's, didn't you? Got any shots with your hair teased up real high? :D I actually have a picture of me when I was about 18 with my hair teased somewhere around here. Kind of embarrassing now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The royal consort Posted February 18, 2007 Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 OK we've had alot of hair splitting round here (and not only from over use of peroxide and hairspray) But I think have a rock music collection not covered. 80's goth... Banshees, Bauhaus, (early) Cure, Sister of Mercy, Fields of the Nephilim, Mission et al where do I go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidlook Posted February 18, 2007 Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 where's queen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primal Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 IMO, Tool should never be considered "mainstream." Maybe this is a bit of elitism emerging in me, but if you were to actually look into Tool songs and their meanings, etc, you would see how they are much deeper than "mainstream" music. As far as my favorite genres: metal, classic rock, jazz, fusion, classical, etc. Some of my favorite bands: Metallica, Led Zep, Tool, A Perfect Circle, Meshuggah, Opeth, Primus, Deftones, Finger Eleven, Isis, Jamiroquai, The Mars Volta, NIN, Rammstein, Rage Against the Machine, Rob Zombie, Rush, and Tenacious D. no screaming in Opeth?!? At least Opeth isn't constant screaming, and the singer has one hell of a set of pipes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert_the_damned Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 (edited) sub-categories of metal are my pet peeve...thrash,death,hardcore,and glam pretty much describe everything out there that is really metal.. ok then mr smarty pants which of your 4 metal genres do bands like Korpiklanni go into? They have metal guitar AND traditional nordic folk instruments Sub-Sub genre's are a little pointless but some bands just don't fit the 'old' genres. Personally I'd split metal down to: Thrash, Death, Black, Doom, Hardcore, Glam/Hair, American Industrial (like the newer Fear Factory type of sound), European Industrial (Rammstein type sound), Folk Metal (Korpiklanni and the likes), Battle metal (Turisas and that sort of thing), Power Metal (Nightwish, Within Temptation ect.), Prog Metal (Opeth), Cheese metal (Dragonforce )....... oh and I know I've missed someone out oh and has anyone else heard of Goth Rock or is it just me? Where do Fields of the Nephilim fans put their vote? Edited February 20, 2007 by Robert_the_damned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echoes Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 sub-categories of metal are my pet peeve...thrash,death,hardcore,and glam pretty much describe everything out there that is really metal.. ok then mr smarty pants which of your 4 metal genres do bands like Korpiklanni go into? They have metal guitar AND traditional nordic folk instruments Sub-Sub genre's are a little pointless but some bands just don't fit the 'old' genres. Personally I'd split metal down to: Thrash, Death, Black, Doom, Hardcore, Glam/Hair, American Industrial (like the newer Fear Factory type of sound), European Industrial (Rammstein type sound), Folk Metal (Korpiklanni and the likes), Battle metal (Turisas and that sort of thing), Power Metal (Nightwish, Within Temptation ect.), Prog Metal (Opeth), Cheese metal (Dragonforce )....... oh and I know I've missed someone out oh and has anyone else heard of Goth Rock or is it just me? Where do Fields of the Nephilim fans put their vote? dude, listen to folkearth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Sub-Sub genre's are a little pointless but some bands just don't fit the 'old' genres. Personally I'd split metal down to: Thrash, Death, Black, Doom, Hardcore, Glam/Hair, American Industrial (like the newer Fear Factory type of sound), European Industrial (Rammstein type sound), Folk Metal (Korpiklanni and the likes), Battle metal (Turisas and that sort of thing), Power Metal (Nightwish, Within Temptation ect.), Prog Metal (Opeth), Cheese metal (Dragonforce )....... fear factory is thrash/death...rammstein is thrash(simplistic though it is),nightwish is the same old school heavy metal iron maiden was doing years ago...opeth is sometimes death,sometimes rock,sometimes acoustic...just because a band puts several styles in their repoirtiure(sp?) does not mean you need to reclassify them.just classify each song if you must. those sub genres are for nerds....metalheads just want to listen to metal.i have my car full of everything from sadus to slayer to bloodbath,meshuggah,lamb of god,deicide,exodus,opeth,kreator,soulfly,sepultua,six feet under,the haunted,nuclear assault,skrew,testament,byzantine,suicidal tendances,ministry ,white zombie,prong,megadth...it'sall justmetal. discussing subgenres is like debating picard vs capt. kirk....it's for da noids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmarlin Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Nice library in your car, SKREW!!!!! What happened to those guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 As silly as it seems to "label" genres on bands, it's often needed because there are a bajillion types of metal out there. While on that subject, there isn't an ounce of thrash in Rammstein or Fear Factory. Both are very nu-metal based. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echoes Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 people need organization in their lives and sub-genres do just that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert_the_damned Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 dude, listen to folkearth I have they're good. 'By the sword of my Father' is probably my favorite track from them that I've heard (not heard that much to be honnest) Sub-Sub genre's are a little pointless but some bands just don't fit the 'old' genres. Personally I'd split metal down to: Thrash, Death, Black, Doom, Hardcore, Glam/Hair, American Industrial (like the newer Fear Factory type of sound), European Industrial (Rammstein type sound), Folk Metal (Korpiklanni and the likes), Battle metal (Turisas and that sort of thing), Power Metal (Nightwish, Within Temptation ect.), Prog Metal (Opeth), Cheese metal (Dragonforce )....... fear factory is thrash/death...rammstein is thrash(simplistic though it is),nightwish is the same old school heavy metal iron maiden was doing years ago...opeth is sometimes death,sometimes rock,sometimes acoustic...just because a band puts several styles in their repoirtiure(sp?) does not mean you need to reclassify them.just classify each song if you must. those sub genres are for nerds....metalheads just want to listen to metal.i have my car full of everything from sadus to slayer to bloodbath,meshuggah,lamb of god,deicide,exodus,opeth,kreator,soulfly,sepultua,six feet under,the haunted,nuclear assault,skrew,testament,byzantine,suicidal tendances,ministry ,white zombie,prong,megadth...it'sall justmetal. discussing subgenres is like debating picard vs capt. kirk....it's for da noids Captain Kirk so wins I mean not just because he kicks arse but like he made out with so many more chicks in the original series than Picard ever has I mean Picards made out with like 3 women ever onscreen that's pathetic. but anyway sub-genres do one very useful thing: allow you to find bands that sound similar to bands you like easily. If everything was in broad catagories then it'd be a lot harder to find something similar to what you already like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 but picard is the founder of the x-men...he wins. if a sub-genre only has one member(opeth) then it is not really a sub-genre now is it. besides...since no two people have the same definition of what bands are in each sub-genre..i think you are still out of luck in finding other "similar" bands...and who has tastes that narrow anyway. take up bug collecting...then you can satisfy your urge to classify on something that at least serves a small purpose ...if a cd cover says "screamo's answer to the artist formerly known as prince" then whatdoes that really tell you anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert_the_damned Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 (edited) but picard is the founder of the x-men...he wins. ok but I'm sure we can agree that Spock is better than Data right?? if a sub-genre only has one member(opeth) then it is not really a sub-genre now is it. *personally* I think there are lots of bands that fit the progressive metal sub-genre such as Dream Theatre, Blind Guardian, Mountain Mirrors, Skith, Nevermore, Winterfell (although I s'pose they're quite folky too). The fact most of them are massively influenced by Opeth is neither here nor there really. besides...since no two people have the same definition of what bands are in each sub-genre..i think you are still out of luck in finding other "similar" bands...and who has tastes that narrow anyway. no but if you find one band and they'll only have a limited amount of material and sometimes its nice to find something that's similar to what you already like. ...if a cd cover says "screamo's answer to the artist formerly known as prince" then whatdoes that really tell you anyway? well if I saw that on a CD it'd probably tell me to put it down and not buy it. However if I saw something like 'reviewed as the best Thrash metal album of 2007 by some guy' when its a CD by a band I've never heard of its going to draw my interest to that CD. Edited February 22, 2007 by Robert_the_damned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 ok but I'm sure we can agree that Spock is better than Data right??agreed...data sucks *personally* I think there are lots of bands that fit the progressive metal sub-genre such as Dream Theatre, Blind Guardian, Mountain Mirrors, Skith, Nevermore, Winterfell (although I s'pose they're quite folky too). The fact most of them are massively influenced by Opeth is neither here nor there really. sorry,but "progressive" metal is just as generic a term as "alternative" rock...it is just a catch-all meant to absorb what otherwise can't be pigeonholed dream theatre was way before opeth if I saw something like 'reviewed as the best Thrash metal album of 2007 by some guy' when its a CD by a band I've never heard of its going to draw my interest to that CD lamb of god's new album....by far. but unfortunately those quotes on those covers are often pulled from the kindest review...everyone else may agree it sucks except for the guy quoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Progressive isn't a generic term at all - it's a label for technical playing, odd time signatures, and frequent tempo changes. Nothing generic about that at all. Dream Theater and Opeth got a good start in the music scene around the same time, I wouldn't imagine either being influncial to each other at the start of their work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidlook Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Progressive isn't a generic term at all - it's a label for technical playing, odd time signatures, and frequent tempo changes. Nothing generic about that at all. Dream Theater and Opeth got a good start in the music scene around the same time, I wouldn't imagine either being influncial to each other at the start of their work. Why can't progress be made in any other way than making music harder to play?...Shouldn't progressive music be about makin better music? As far as I'm concerned, just because you're the only one who can play a certain piece doesn't mean that that music is the best you can play. If you define progressive music as odd time signatures and technical playing etc, I think that that's just gonna be an obstruction for making truly progressive music. Why set up guidelines along wich one should progress?...seems contradictary to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primal Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 rammstein is thrash(simplistic though it is) Hmm... Rammstein is nowhere near thrash. Nowhere near it. I label them as Industrial Metal... Metal for the obvious reason, and industrial for their EXTENSIVE use of keyboard/synthesizers/etc. They just don't have an ounce of a thrash sound to my ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Why can't progress be made in any other way than making music harder to play?...Shouldn't progressive music be about makin better music? Progressive is a simplistic label - as I understand it, it's not saying the music has "evolved" or "progressed" into a state that is superior to other music or genres. It's a label that explains what the genre is based on / about. "Better" is an opinion word, some people believe progressive music to be sh*t. Some believe it is superior. Regardless of what you, or anyone else thinks, it's all opinion. If you love it, great. If you don't love it, great. As far as I'm concerned, just because you're the only one who can play a certain piece doesn't mean that that music is the best you can play. If you define progressive music as odd time signatures and technical playing etc, I think that that's just gonna be an obstruction for making truly progressive music. Why set up guidelines along wich one should progress?...seems contradictary to me. I'm not here to debate whether genres should be this or that. I'm just pointing out what the majority refer to progressive and/or other genres as. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Hmm... Rammstein is nowhere near thrash. Nowhere near it. I label them as Industrial Metal... Metal for the obvious reason, and industrial for their EXTENSIVE use of keyboard/synthesizers/etc. They just don't have an ounce of a thrash sound to my ears.label it whatever you wish.just be aware that nobody will agree with you,and that everyone has a different opinion of what belongs under these useless labels.and that is exactly my point.nerds have no place defining metal into a million different sub-genres and thrash is very,very broad.just look at slayer and exodus.completely different,yet both thrash. i will make my view clear....here is my motto "shut up and listen to the music" or if you prefer "take your sub-genres and flush them down the toilet with the rest of the (beep)" hehe Progressive isn't a generic term at all - it's a label for technical playing, odd time signatures, and frequent tempo changes. by that definitoin,jazz is progressive metal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 Progressive isn't a generic term at all - it's a label for technical playing, odd time signatures, and frequent tempo changes. by that definitoin,jazz is progressive metal Hence I wrote "progressive". Not "progressive metal". And by definition, much of jazz can be considered progressive, and much of it is these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert_the_damned Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 (edited) Hmm... Rammstein is nowhere near thrash. Nowhere near it. I label them as Industrial Metal... Metal for the obvious reason, and industrial for their EXTENSIVE use of keyboard/synthesizers/etc. They just don't have an ounce of a thrash sound to my ears.label it whatever you wish.just be aware that nobody will agree with you,and that everyone has a different opinion of what belongs under these useless labels.and that is exactly my point.nerds have no place defining metal into a million different sub-genres I'd agree with him. Rammstein don't play nearly fast enough to be thrash....and most of their songs are SO basic (either the same riff all the way through with some slight variations or just very very simple) they really arn't technical enough to be thrash. and thrash is very,very broad.just look at slayer and exodus.completely different,yet both thrash.this is true however i will make my view clear....here is my motto "shut up and listen to the music" I also agree with this or if you prefer "take your sub-genres and flush them down the toilet with the rest of the (beep)" I don't particularly like sub-genres I just can see an advantage of having them. plus I like arguing the toss discussing alternate veiwpoints. Edited February 27, 2007 by Robert_the_damned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primal Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 What Rammstein lacks in complexity, they make up for in sheer power of sound. Just take Mein Teil for example. They also have one hell of a stage show. I hope I get the chance to see them in concert at some point in my life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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